This question came from James through Skype.
'What was it like for you to meet with people after you had the 'accident' of your liberation?'
Thank you for the question, James.
I remember people having the most interesting questions. And I honestly had no answer for them and cannot say I knew anything at all about what they asked. But I wanted to come together with them, and we would walk together, step by step, as if holding hands, and we would find out - or not - together.
I felt they were instructing me, as I often moved like a blind man with newly given sight. But that may be what they came to me for; to hear the discoveries of the newly sighted man. And I didn't mind at all.
But if they came to be taught, then I failed them completely.
Takuin's mind may be a giving mind, whatever that means, but it is not giving of answers. And this is confusing to so many who have come to see him. There is no end goal, and nothing to be attained at the end. There is only the moment by moment functioning of the organism.
But they wanted Liberation so badly, you see, and they hoped that through an answer, or even just through physical closeness to the speaker, they would be imparted with a wonderful gift, or the end state they had hoped to find.
Liberation is not in an end, nor is it in a beginning. It is life, as it is lived. Nothing more, and nothing less.
I have said this kind of thing before, and invariably someone comes back with, "Well, I live my life everyday, and still it is not like yours," but I question that. Not the bit about Takuin's life, as that is insignificant here. No, I question whether they have ever truly lived even one moment of their lives.
And there is nothing wrong with that, really, for they must see the reality of their functioning and fully understand the thing they are, and not the person they someday hope to be.
Life is not a matter of finding the answer to an exalted state, but more a matter of shutting the mouth-mind and simply living.
There is no state to live in, only living. No end to find, only the exploration. There is not even anyone else to light your candle. You'll have to do that for yourself.
If you come to me for answers, you'll only find discomfort. That is the only teaching I can offer.
12 comments, since May
Dear A,
It is great to see you again.
It seems you already understand the difficulties you might face in seeing. Well, I don't know that 'difficulty' is the right word, but let's just say you know your own tendencies. No one can tell you anything more than what you already know about you, so it is probably time you trust your own judgment about the reality you see.
And if it is not quite accurate, you will discover that in the seeing.
Don't worry about getting it right, or seeing it completely...just have a look. It is really not so complicated.
;-)
Thank you, Miriam.
It is nice to meet with you here...
"If you come to me for answers, you’ll only find discomfort. That is the only teaching I can offer."
A deep bow to you dear Takuin. You speak a language I understand.
~ miriam louisa
Thoughtful answer, Takuin.
People are so accustomed with process and goal, that it is hard for them to simply be...
Bow to you.
_/|\_
Dear Takuin, how sweet that sounds - the newly sighted man! 'A matter of shutting mouth-mind' - Can you shut another person's mouth-mind? Can seeing the reality of the mouth-mind shut it?
I have often seen that I don't give enough opportunity to the seeing. I find my mouth-mind too overbearing and often I give up even before I embark on the looking. But yes I do know personally that patience itself is relief, that seeing sometimes is relieving.
How beautiful that sounds: the newly sighted person!!
Thank you, Rizal.
Good day Takuin, Its great to see you here again. I was wondering about your naked eyes experience of tsunami in the Japan. One question is in my mind as always: During the survivor of once life what does happened to all his/her knowledge ? What will be the impact on the thought of so called spiritual minded people who called them gurus when they are surrounded by all the comfort of the world? (they are so called best minded people)
"Liberation is not in an end, nor is it in a beginning. It is life, as it is lived. Nothing more, and nothing less."
Some thing is missing in understanding that during course of reading or listening, one think he/she got it and then back to square on within few moments. What is it that not let you lived it ? Is condition of mind seems to want non-easy answer or afraid of the end of thought?
Cheers.. Nitin
......and the 'Problem' is myself.(my thinking, my activities/its all mine)
I hope, that I got it right. Thank you Takuin.
Nitin
Thank you, Nitin.
"Some thing is missing in understanding that during course of reading or listening, one think he/she got it and then back to square on within few moments. What is it that not let you lived it?"
When those realizations occur, they are beyond our doing. If one thinks he or she had it at one time, lost it, then begins to seach for the memory of what once was, that is the dilemma itself. The problem is in the activity; the search for the memory; which has nothing to do with the living of the entity.
If there is a problem, then it occurs in one's own activity. If there are no problems outside of the self, then the source of the 'problem' is clear...
Thanks, Adam.
I'll never know how true that may or may not be, but I've enjoyed spending time with everyone I've had the pleasure to meet though this site.
I imagine that will continue far into the future.
Hey man i bet your helping people just being how you are now, people must pick up on the peace you have and learn a little more how to get there themselves.
Thank you, Nitin...